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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 23, 2008 11:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Billy vs. Micky

I'm watching the Closing of Winterland and I've noticed that Billy is doing so much more "work" than Micky. It seems that all of the difficult or idiosyncratic drumming is done by Billy, and during the Drums > Rhythm Devils segment, all Micky does is continue to look over at Billy while he does all the work. Micky just hits the drums a little.

Was Billy that much better than Micky? Why is Hart so lame (at least in that video he was.)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 24, 2008 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

I posted on this very subject many moons ago. To me, one is not superior to the other, they each just have very differing styles that mesh perfectly. Unlike many other two-drummer bands that came after them, you can actually hear a difference between the two. Billy is by far the more technical drummer, evoking the spirit of the Buddy Richs and Roy Haynes of the jazz era. Technical, yet full of artistic brilliance. Mickey is more the raw guts and fury of the two, attacking his kit like a man on a mission, filling every beat with powerful emotion that can be felt by everyone listening. Billy is the Rembrandt, Mickey the Picasso. Each approaching their craft from very different places, but complimenting the other in a way I've yet to see duplicated by other two-drummer set ups.
Were the Dead still a force to be reckoned with when just Billy was driving the train? Of course, I love listening to shows from that era, able to really focus on the technical brilliance of the man. But what would they have sounded like with just Mickey? That would have been interesting to say the least, but I would venture to say that it would have worked, just in a very different way.
One a peanut, the other a lentil. Very different from one another, but still legumes.
Anyone ever compare them to legumes before?

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

I think there is no need for vitriol here, I don't see what is wrong asking about Billy and Micky. I didn't flame one or the other.

The only evidence I have is from 12-31-1978 video I watched last night. When I listen to them I have no idea who is drumming and leading, who hits the high-hats, who uses the cowbell, stuff like that. I mean it all sounds the same to me and it could be Micky, Billy or hell maybe Uncle Bobo.

But there is a clear dichotomy in the Closing of Winterland video. If you watch the drumming part Micky really isn't doing anything. Now perhaps....that night it was Billy's turn to do all the cool stuff? Maybe Micky and Billy took turns leading?

I guess the jist of my post is whether the relationship between Billy and Micky was similar to Bobby and Jerry. Bobby played rhythm guitar 95% of the time, but there were times he had his solo and Jerry played rhythm. Maybe there was a similar arrangement between Billy and Micky. Billy was the lead drummist, Micky was rhythm, but on occasion it was switched. We know so little about Billy/Micky as compared to Bobby/Jerry.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

Sorry about the double post. I never know if the post gets through. They need to change that functionality on this site.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Mar 24, 2008 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

I'd agree with those who think that the band never sounded better than in the 72-74 window sans Mickey. 74 is my fav year and Billy is a King all year.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 25, 2008 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

Billy is an underated drummer with mostly the undead.
Most here know he is an awesome percussionist.
I heard him with Phil and Friends on 7/3/99. John Molo has nothing on him -imo

http://www.archive.org/details/1999-07-03.paf.sbd.mattman.18900.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

I think there is no need for vitriol here, I don't see what is wrong asking about Billy and Micky. I didn't flame one or the other.

The only evidence I have is from 12-31-1978 video I watched last night. When I listen to them I have no idea who is drumming and leading, who hits the high-hats, who uses the cowbell, stuff like that. I mean it all sounds the same to me and it could be Micky, Billy or hell maybe Uncle Bobo.

But there is a clear dichotomy in the Closing of Winterland video. If you watch the drumming part Micky really isn't doing anything. Now perhaps....that night it was Billy's turn to do all the cool stuff? Maybe Micky and Billy took turns leading?

I guess the jist of my post is whether the relationship between Billy and Micky was similar to Bobby and Jerry. Bobby played rhythm guitar 95% of the time, but there were times he had his solo and Jerry played rhythm. Maybe there was a similar arrangement between Billy and Micky. Billy was the lead drummist, Micky was rhythm, but on occasion it was switched. We know so little about Billy/Micky as compared to Bobby/Jerry.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

smgarcia,

don't let the posts phase you. It gets chippy in here sometimes but always great to have new posters with fresh takes and questions. Don't be scared off.

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Poster: TitoGarcia Date: Mar 24, 2008 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

*Were the Dead still a force to be reckoned with when just Billy was driving the train? Of course, I love listening to shows from that era, able to really focus on the technical brilliance of the man*


Dude,seriously? Just Stop it. Really.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 25, 2008 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

You talked me into it.


At least you said "Please".

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Mar 24, 2008 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

Well stated. I couldnt have said it better and you took the words right out of my mouth....sans the lentils part. That never would have ocurred to me. Not sure where that came from but it does work in the world of analogies!

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Poster: TitoGarcia Date: Mar 24, 2008 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

Seriously, people need to stop all the ball washing of Grateful Dead members not named Garcia and Weir.People seem to think Mickey Hart is this egnimatic hall of fame percussionist when the facts are,he was a guy straight out of central casting.Totally average at best.Do i hate Mickey Hart?No,hes probably a cool dude, and he's a member of the Grateful Dead.Would i go see his money grab fake "Mickey Harts mystery box" crap?Hell no! and neither should any of you!

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 24, 2008 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

mick was a percussionist and drumming is not his forte where billy k was a master of it all,and i for one wish mick never returned back to the band.just listen to the band without him fucking great, turning on a dime with such grace.with mick it became more sluggish not that sluggish is bad :)

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Poster: wrightbrothers Date: Mar 24, 2008 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

"Drumming is not his forte"?

You are both idiots.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Mar 24, 2008 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

i'm with ya there. he ruined keith's sound in the seventies. hard to hear keith with all that damn percussion. phil was loud too, but in a good way.

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Poster: wrightbrothers Date: Mar 24, 2008 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Billy vs. Micky

"Drumming is not his forte"?

You are both idiots.